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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:53 pm Post subject: That Slippery Thing
The more I listen to Guthrie (especially the snippets from the upcoming album), the more of that "slippery" thing I hear in his playing. Even through some blazingly fast alternate-picked runs a la Yngwie, Morse, Gilbert, Petrucci, etc., Guthrie never sounds robotic and too on-the-beat. It's a very distinctive sound. He lets the notes slip around and I can tell that it's totally intentional or that it's just a natural part of his style and he doesn't even think about it. He has mentioned several times that he intentionally avoids sounding like Gilbert and Petrucci. I, for one, am glad that he does! _________________ Ed Yoon
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:53 am Post subject: Re: That Slippery Thing
alexkhan wrote:
The more I listen to Guthrie (especially the snippets from the upcoming album), the more of that "slippery" thing I hear in his playing. Even through some blazingly fast alternate-picked runs a la Yngwie, Morse, Gilbert, Petrucci, etc., Guthrie never sounds robotic and too on-the-beat. It's a very distinctive sound. He lets the notes slip around and I can tell that it's totally intentional or that it's just a natural part of his style and he doesn't even think about it. He has mentioned several times that he intentionally avoids sounding like Gilbert and Petrucci. I, for one, am glad that he does!
Yeah agreed on the Gilbert thing, I've always found him mechanical with a cold, harsh, way too metallic, ear irritating tone. Luckliy Guthrie has a warm, thick, ballsy distorted tone, and a clear, bell-like clean tone.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:37 am Post subject: I totally agree
The more I listen to Guthrie on his own, the more I find snippets of his playing which I find so uniquely his. It's like he's a huge ass melting cauldron of his own various influences. I wish I would play like that, without sounding all particularly scalar, and with such predicatable timing.
I watched the clips, listening to the various mp3s over and over again, Govan incorporates a certain bouncy swing feel in whatever playing style he adapts. I love it!
His tone is just so amazing. It's so raw, so organic. I bet he doesn't use that much gain. The tone is just so natural!
Gilbert's a great player, a real monster. I've seen him several times. Truly amazing. That being said, I've never seen anyone quite like Guthrie. He does so many things so well that it boggles the mind. It's like he's lived the lives of 10 different kinds of virtuosos. Yeah, the slippery thing that GG has is really cool and sets him apart from the pack.
I just finally heard Guthrie. What really sets him apart, to me, from the 10 million "shredders" on the planet, is his legato and big musical vocabulary, which are exactly what I like about Scott Henderson as well.
Players like Vai, Satriani, Eric Johnson, Gambale and even Holdsworth play more within their specific niches. Don't get me wrong, these are some of my absolute favorites-- but what when I started listening to Henderson, I found his playing refreshing because he can instantly reach into lots of different bags. He's like Holdsworth with a little dirt under his nails and Beck without so much dirt under his nails-- and a little Johnny Winter in between. Guthrie Govan is the first guy to come along and knock me off my Scott Henderson hobby horse-- and I was doing just fine. GG's got a big fat analogue tube tone, monster chops and goes anywhere he wants to without making you feel he needs to stay close to any one safe familiar niche. At the same time, he takes you along and you don't feel afraid to step outside with him. His fat tone and melodic sense help maintain that cabin pressure throughout the flight.
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:24 am Post subject:
thinline72 wrote:
I just finally heard Guthrie. What really sets him apart, to me, from the 10 million "shredders" on the planet, is his legato and big musical vocabulary, which are exactly what I like about Scott Henderson as well.
Players like Vai, Satriani, Eric Johnson, Gambale and even Holdsworth play more within their specific niches. Don't get me wrong, these are some of my absolute favorites-- but what when I started listening to Henderson, I found his playing refreshing because he can instantly reach into lots of different bags. He's like Holdsworth with a little dirt under his nails and Beck without so much dirt under his nails-- and a little Johnny Winter in between. Guthrie Govan is the first guy to come along and knock me off my Scott Henderson hobby horse-- and I was doing just fine. GG's got a big fat analogue tube tone, monster chops and goes anywhere he wants to without making you feel he needs to stay close to any one safe familiar niche. At the same time, he takes you along and you don't feel afraid to step outside with him. His fat tone and melodic sense help maintain that cabin pressure throughout the flight.
Yup, it's his vast musical vocabulary that knocks you out after hearing or watching him for two hours or more. I just can't think of anyone who covers the breadth of styles, techniques, sounds, and moods that he does. Have you seen the Tone Merchants DVDs? There's nearly 3 hours of material in those 2 discs and he doesn't repeat a single lick twice. He does employ his trademark techniques and phrases here and there and you'll notice this when you've seen or listened to about 5 hours of him playing, but even then, he'll very rarely repeat himself. _________________ Ed Yoon
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:31 am Post subject:
gumby3bh wrote:
I love Guthrie's "slippery" playing, but I gotta disagree with you guys about Gilbert, as he is my favorite player.
Gilbert's a great player - a real monster. I saw him do a clinic for Ibanez in Korea and hung out with him afterwards for dinner and a few cups of tea. I was surprised by how mellow and down-to-earth he was. He even told me that he moved to Vegas from LA because the Northridge earthquake in the late-90's freaked him out. It'd be really fun to see Guthrie jam with Paul. I bet they'd get along really well. Paul sure has that natural effortless talent. _________________ Ed Yoon
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Yup, it's his vast musical vocabulary that knocks you out after hearing or watching him for two hours or more. I just can't think of anyone who covers the breadth of styles, techniques, sounds, and moods that he does. Have you seen the Tone Merchants DVDs? There's nearly 3 hours of material in those 2 discs and he doesn't repeat a single lick twice. He does employ his trademark techniques and phrases here and there and you'll notice this when you've seen or listened to about 5 hours of him playing, but even then, he'll very rarely repeat himself.
Thanks for reminding me-- I've gotta get those DVD's. Still watching the little clips on the site. Yeah, I think GG is the next big deal and it'll be awhile before we see his spin-offs.
I love Guthrie's "slippery" playing, but I gotta disagree with you guys about Gilbert, as he is my favorite player.
Gilbert's a great player - a real monster. I saw him do a clinic for Ibanez in Korea and hung out with him afterwards for dinner and a few cups of tea. I was surprised by how mellow and down-to-earth he was. He even told me that he moved to Vegas from LA because the Northridge earthquake in the late-90's freaked him out. It'd be really fun to see Guthrie jam with Paul. I bet they'd get along really well. Paul sure has that natural effortless talent.
Yea, Paul really is one of the coolest/nicest guys I've ever met. (He's not my favorite just because of his playing!) He let me go up on stage after the show and play his guitar and he answered all my questions and talked to me for quite awhile after everyone else had left. From what I hear, Guthrie is a lot like this as well and I look forward to meeting him someday. Here's me with Paul's #1 which he's had for 18 years!
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