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Duranium



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:12 pm    Post subject: About Guthrie vibrato Reply with quote

well, i have some material of him, and the thing that had impacted me since the first time, it's the huge vibrato... now i'm trying to do something near... anyone can give me a tip or anything?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiggle yer fingers
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if one of his ex-flatmates is anything to go by.. having seen this technique used by Guthrie and then close-up by A Nonymous Wink one of the vibratos is sliding from a semitone below to a semitone above using the frets rather than bending the strings.. It's tricky and I'm working on it Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankus wrote:
one of the vibratos is sliding from a semitone below to a semitone above using the frets rather than bending the strings.. It's tricky and I'm working on it Cool


This is a key point I think: "ONE of the vibratos". Many players with great chops and expressive technique puts different vibratos to use. Guthrie does this extremely well, and his "bass vibrato" ŕ la Jaco (that also Greg Howe does) that frankus describes is one of them. Guthrie uses different vibratos for different lines, situations and styles without making it seem forced. Its sounds (and looks) really natural. Many players have mainly ONE cool vibrato technique (to be a bit unfair, but as examples: Gilbert and Malmsteen. And I worship both of them.) The most controlled and technically sophisticated and veratile vibrato techniques I've heard might be Steve Vai's. (Well, Jeff Beck then) It's very obvious when you look at his hands live. But Guthrie makes it sound a little bit more uncalculated than Vai I think.

Duranium: Look here for Vai's old mini lesson on vibrato: http://vai.com/LittleBlackDots/84/vibrato.html I think what you're after is the first type.

If you don't mind I'm proposing a diversion of the thread subject: Who's got your favourite vibrato? BB, Clapton, Yngwie? I love Kotzens vibrato -- lots of muscle, skin and bones there. (Well, I probably should start another thread ...
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Duranium



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, i like so much the vibrato of Yngwie... so i'll see the Vai mini lesson... i'm thinking that i should develop the force of the fingers... cause my actual vibrato don't work in the 1st string... thx for all!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember reading an article back in the 80's about Vai's vibrato technique where he combines the typical rock method of wiggling the strings up and down and the classical method of moving horizontally across the string. The thing about the classical method is that you can make the pitch go a little flat as well as sharp. Combining the two, while being more challenging physically, gives you more range in pitch manipulation as well as being able to go from subtle (classical) to extreme (rock/blues).
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guthrie's vibrato can be extreme to very subtle. always very controlled with perfect intonation. you just have to listen and then sing it. i think singing the inflections and thne trying to match it with your fingers on the guitar is a good way to improve the ears-hand coordination. Wink
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