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olivier castellat



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Righteous wrote:
olivier castellat wrote:
no, it's not to play outside scale volontary ,
it's only one notes ,
maybe guthrie makes ofen one shot to record ,
i think that because he never plays the same solos in lives and in cd,
u can believe me, this note isn't volontary ,
and i'm sur that guthrie could be alow with me ^^

You know why I can't take that seriously? Because you're French.

Only joking, but not really.
At Guthrie's level, mistakes are rarely ever made, so I think on a record, it would be safe to say that mistakes are never made.


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ok i ve post for a joke ,
but when i heard again and again this note , there is a problem ,
i have been 8 years in an academy of classic music , and since i leave ,
i have learn blues rock jass fusion, and i m a futur professional guitarist ,
i don't care of this f*cking note , and i love guthrie, but i can't let u say that it's a chroma scale or other, because it's wrong ,
in Waves , there is no 'out' playing or other,
at the moment when there is this note , the style of guitar is bebop ,
and he does a fast A F#E before to do E F A C E , the arpeggio of F, so the tonality is F , this F# is wrong,
for the esthetics , and not only for the tonality ,
Wink
but i'm tired to discute about that ,
i stop argue , if u hear nothing wrong,
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JP7stringer



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really though in the end who really cares...if you're listenning to GG's stuff and trying to find errors then I feel sorry for you. When I listen to Guthrie's CD, I'm listening simply for pure enjoyment, and believe me I enjoy it, with or without these supposed mistakes.
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Righteous



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JP7stringer wrote:
Really though in the end who really cares...if you're listenning to GG's stuff and trying to find errors then I feel sorry for you. When I listen to Guthrie's CD, I'm listening simply for pure enjoyment, and believe me I enjoy it, with or without these supposed mistakes.

Most definatly agreed, his music is so beautiful, why look for mistakes?
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olivier castellat



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm not looking for Rolling Eyes ,
when i listen music , if there is an error ,
i perceive that ,
...


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olivier castellat



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yans wrote:
Bonsoir Olivier. Comme vous êtes, ou, tu es, si tu préfères, enfin si vous préfèrez, je vais parler français, hein...
Et aussi, bravo pour votre oreille Shocked


salut, bon c'est pas la peine de me vous voyer , j'ai 19 ans donc je suis pas un monsieur Laughing ,
mais bravo pour le sens du respect dont tu fais preuve ,
moi je suis pas la pour descendre la music de guthrie,
je suis completement amoureux de son jeu ,
et waves est vraimant un titre fabuleux , mais une erreur est une erreur ,
en tout cas merci pour ton soutiens , je commencai a croire que seul moi entendait ca Very Happy
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JP7stringer



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

olivier castellat wrote:
i'm not looking for Rolling Eyes ,
when i listen music , if there is an error ,
i perceive that ,
...


If you are married and have children, then I honestly feel for them...and if you are aspiring to become a teacher, I suppose your ability to find errors without actually going out and looking for them may come in handy!
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RD



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think one of the main skills of a good improviser is to react fast on any note and then you can make it sound right. Guthrie actually talked about this in the interview that was posted on a website I don't remember. The author of that website promoted it here on this forum.

Anyway, Guthrie explained that you can make every note sound right with the notes that follow. So after a 'mistake', it all depends what you do next. And in that regard, there are no mistakes indeed, because you can correct them this way.


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Ant711UK



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course he makes mistakes, everyone does no matter how good they are, but they rarely leave them on a studio recording. There is definitely no mistake at the point to which you are referring. He has probably heard that passage of playing over 100 times during recording, playback and mixing at various stages and I'd say it's meant to sound exactly like it does!

As for breaking it down to exact notes theory wise you may as well forget that with GG's playing as he's pushing the listeners ear as far as possible with his stuff. If it sounds as though it's not 'in' to your ears then maybe try listening 'outside' like the rest of us are Wink

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olivier castellat



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sh*t on ur ears Embarassed
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Ant711UK



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

olivier castellat wrote:
sh*t on ur ears Embarassed
Laughing

All I'm saying is it's a different way of listening.
You are classically trained and are coming at it from a different angle.

I say no mistake, you say there is! Let's just agree to differ eh!

People more qualified than you or I, including GG have left it on the track!?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

olivier castellat wrote:
sh*t on ur ears Embarassed


Well, as they say... you might be lying in the sewer, but you're looking up at the stars Wink

(Actually, it's not shit... it's chocolate cake... no, honestly, it is Smile )


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yans wrote:
Bonsoir Olivier. Comme vous êtes, ou, tu es, si tu préfères, enfin si vous préfèrez, je vais parler français, hein... Laughing
Et bien ce n'est pas par nationalisme, mais je suis d'accord Rolling Eyes Je n'avais jamais remarqué cette note, ce qui peut se comprendre puisque je n'aime pas spécialement ce titre, mais après l'avoir cherchée et réécoutée plusieurs fois, il y a effectivement quelque chose qui ne va pas, question esthétique. Je n'exlus pas l'hypothése de la fausse note (c'est pas correct comme terme, non ?), mais après tout, pourquoi Guthrie ne l'a-t-il pas fait exprès, sachant qu'elle passerai inaperçue pour pas mal de monde, apparement ? (moi y compris Surprised )
Sinon, dans le post précédant le vôtre, l'internaute dit que à ce niveau, les guitaristes ne font presque plus d'erreurs... J'ai pourtant, dans le dvd Crossroad de Eric Clapton, Steve Vai qui joue un morceau, dans lequel il fait plusieurs erreurs de ce style. Steve Vai que je n'apprecis guére d'ailleur, que par son côté technique...

Voilà mon petit coup de gueule, au plaisir de vous recontrer un jour, puisque vous allez devenir professionel ? J'aimerai voir percer un guitariste de "blues rock jazz fusion", comme vous l'avez dit, étant fan et guitariste de "jazz rock fusion progressif", comme je le dis.

Bien amicalement.

PS: Excusez moi pour mon français, je le suis... et je n'ai que 15 ans Confused
Et aussi, bravo pour votre oreille Shocked


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've listened to that part over and over again. Guess I must be deaf.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:31 pm    Post subject: whatever he likes Reply with quote

when you are composing something you can do whatever it comes across your mind, why do you worry about a single note that was placed anywhere on the fretboard, he is more than qualified to do this like anybody else.
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olivier castellat



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some friend guitarists and pianists PROFESSIONAL have heard that
and there are agree with me ,
sorry if i more believe some professional guys and my ears more that ure sayin'
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