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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:33 pm    Post subject: so guthrie's got a new copy of #1, with a ssh+ ... Reply with quote

... has he? the one greg howe played in italy?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Re: so guthrie's got a new copy of #1, with a ssh+ ... Reply with quote

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... has he? the one greg howe played in italy?

ed?


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Yes, that's the one. It originally had the DSH+ but I wanted Guthrie to try the SSH+ and Guthrie seems to like it a lot. He says it's been hard to tell the difference between the DSH+ and SSH+ because the two guitars sound so different. Yes, identical specs but they still sound and feel different because that's just how it is with woods. He loves both guitars and says they both have that immediate attack and brilliance which he favors but have slightly different tonal characteristics.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: so guthrie's got a new copy of #1, with a ssh+ ... Reply with quote

alexkhan wrote:
sumis wrote:
... has he? the one greg howe played in italy?

ed?


.


Yes, that's the one. It originally had the DSH+ but I wanted Guthrie to try the SSH+ and Guthrie seems to like it a lot. He says it's been hard to tell the difference between the DSH+ and SSH+ because the two guitars sound so different. Yes, identical specs but they still sound and feel different because that's just how it is with woods. He loves both guitars and says they both have that immediate attack and brilliance which he favors but have slightly different tonal characteristics.


What are the main tonal differences between the D and the S, Ed?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:56 pm    Post subject: Re: so guthrie's got a new copy of #1, with a ssh+ ... Reply with quote

thelordofcheesecake wrote:
alexkhan wrote:
sumis wrote:
... has he? the one greg howe played in italy?

ed?


.


Yes, that's the one. It originally had the DSH+ but I wanted Guthrie to try the SSH+ and Guthrie seems to like it a lot. He says it's been hard to tell the difference between the DSH+ and SSH+ because the two guitars sound so different. Yes, identical specs but they still sound and feel different because that's just how it is with woods. He loves both guitars and says they both have that immediate attack and brilliance which he favors but have slightly different tonal characteristics.


What are the main tonal differences between the D and the S, Ed?


The D is a little smoother in the highs with a little more mids. The S has a little more cut and bottom. The S has a little more bark and sounds bigger. The D is a little sweeter on top and rounder.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:43 pm    Post subject: Re: so guthrie's got a new copy of #1, with a ssh+ ... Reply with quote

alexkhan wrote:
thelordofcheesecake wrote:
What are the main tonal differences between the D and the S, Ed?


The D is a little smoother in the highs with a little more mids. The S has a little more cut and bottom. The S has a little more bark and sounds bigger. The D is a little sweeter on top and rounder.


Thanks Ed Very Happy . I wonder if this new tone is going to influence any musical choices?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: so guthrie's got a new copy of #1, with a ssh+ ... Reply with quote

thelordofcheesecake wrote:
alexkhan wrote:
thelordofcheesecake wrote:
What are the main tonal differences between the D and the S, Ed?


The D is a little smoother in the highs with a little more mids. The S has a little more cut and bottom. The S has a little more bark and sounds bigger. The D is a little sweeter on top and rounder.


Thanks Ed Very Happy . I wonder if this new tone is going to influence any musical choices?


Well, I'm sure Guthrie looks at it as another paint type of brush for his palette of sounds to be used on a canvas. We'll be building him more nice "paint brushes" for a long time to come. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: so guthrie's got a new copy of #1, with a ssh+ ... Reply with quote

alexkhan wrote:
thelordofcheesecake wrote:
alexkhan wrote:
thelordofcheesecake wrote:
What are the main tonal differences between the D and the S, Ed?


The D is a little smoother in the highs with a little more mids. The S has a little more cut and bottom. The S has a little more bark and sounds bigger. The D is a little sweeter on top and rounder.


Thanks Ed Very Happy . I wonder if this new tone is going to influence any musical choices?


Well, I'm sure Guthrie looks at it as another paint type of brush for his palette of sounds to be used on a canvas. We'll be building him more nice "paint brushes" for a long time to come. Wink


That's one hell of an expensive paint brush!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:35 pm    Post subject: Re: so guthrie's got a new copy of #1, with a ssh+ ... Reply with quote

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That's one hell of an expensive paint brush!



Yeah, but when you consider what a violin bow for a Stradivarius goes for, it's still one hell of a bargain! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

braz rosewood and the quilt top should make a pretty bright instrument, shouldn't it? i know this is originally more or less the 'ed yoon signature guitar' Wink why did u go with braz roesewood (apart from the mojo and coolness), and doesn't the ssh+ in this guitar (u have the dsh+ i believe) make it REALLY high endy?

well, the clips with the hellcat sounds ... nice Wink

just speculating, since it's inevitable that i'll get a #2 'sumis signature' for myself one of these days ... months ... dammit: years!

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braz rosewood and the quilt top should make a pretty bright instrument, shouldn't it? i know this is originally more or less the 'ed yoon signature guitar' Wink why did u go with braz roesewood (apart from the mojo and coolness), and doesn't the ssh+ in this guitar (u have the dsh+ i believe) make it REALLY high endy?

well, the clips with the hellcat sounds ... nice Wink

just speculating, since it's inevitable that i'll get a #2 'sumis signature' for myself one of these days ... months ... dammit: years!

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It's bright but bright in a very nice way. "Brilliant" is how I'd describe it. Wink The Quilt Maple top extends the range of the Basswood body which has a good amount of lows and mids. The Maple neck has the tight high-mids and Brazilian Rosewood has the presence and is strong in the mids (lower and mid-midrange). It covers a broader tonal spectrum (more lows and highs) than his number one Mahogany SB Standard. Guthrie prefers the Mahogany for cutting through a dense mix in a rock setting and likes his Root Beer and this new Lager for the blues/jazz/fusion kinds of stuff. This guitar is brilliant and tight but still has a wide frequency range with some "give" in the mids (provided by the soft Basswood). The SSH+ extends the range (with more lows and high-mids than the DSH+) and makes the guitar sound big without losing focus. It's an unforgiving guitar but that's how Guthrie likes it. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alexkhan wrote:
sumis wrote:
braz rosewood and the quilt top should make a pretty bright instrument, shouldn't it? i know this is originally more or less the 'ed yoon signature guitar' Wink why did u go with braz roesewood (apart from the mojo and coolness), and doesn't the ssh+ in this guitar (u have the dsh+ i believe) make it REALLY high endy?

well, the clips with the hellcat sounds ... nice Wink

just speculating, since it's inevitable that i'll get a #2 'sumis signature' for myself one of these days ... months ... dammit: years!

.


It's bright but bright in a very nice way. "Brilliant" is how I'd describe it. Wink The Quilt Maple top extends the range of the Basswood body which has a good amount of lows and mids. The Maple neck has the tight high-mids and Brazilian Rosewood has the presence and is strong in the mids (lower and mid-midrange). It covers a broader tonal spectrum (more lows and highs) than his number one Mahogany SB Standard. Guthrie prefers the Mahogany for cutting through a dense mix in a rock setting and likes his Root Beer and this new Lager for the blues/jazz/fusion kinds of stuff. This guitar is brilliant and tight but still has a wide frequency range with some "give" in the mids (provided by the soft Basswood). The SSH+ extends the range (with more lows and high-mids than the DSH+) and makes the guitar sound big without losing focus. It's an unforgiving guitar but that's how Guthrie likes it. Very Happy


So basically, he's got Root Beer, Lager, and Real Ale (mahogany Standard) now, eh Wink ? What's the Classic - white wine spritzer Laughing ?
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So basically, he's got Root Beer, Lager, and Real Ale (mahogany Standard) now, eh Wink ? What's the Classic - white wine spritzer Laughing ?



Ah, and don't forget the country lemonade mixed with some rum (Classic T)! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sumis wrote:
braz rosewood and the quilt top should make a pretty bright instrument, shouldn't it? i know this is originally more or less the 'ed yoon signature guitar' Wink why did u go with braz roesewood (apart from the mojo and coolness), and doesn't the ssh+ in this guitar (u have the dsh+ i believe) make it REALLY high endy?

well, the clips with the hellcat sounds ... nice Wink

just speculating, since it's inevitable that i'll get a #2 'sumis signature' for myself one of these days ... months ... dammit: years!

.


I have a Basswood maple topped standard, maple neck, Brazilian board, SSH+ in the bridge. I don't find it bright at all, it's actually less bright than many of my other guitars. If anything, it's really smooth and balanced almost hi-fi like as it seems to cover all of the frequencies evenly. I wasn't sure what to make of it at first as it was very different than the Mahogany/Mahogany and alder Suhrs that I have, but it's quickly become a favorite.
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I have a Basswood maple topped standard, maple neck, Brazilian board, SSH+ in the bridge. I don't find it bright at all, it's actually less bright than many of my other guitars. If anything, it's really smooth and balanced almost hi-fi like as it seems to cover all of the frequencies evenly. I wasn't sure what to make of it at first as it was very different than the Mahogany/Mahogany and alder Suhrs that I have, but it's quickly become a favorite.


Cool! I've become more and more geared to traditional strat styles w/ somewhat modern twists, and the suhr I got is pretty much perfect for my styles of playing. but one axe doesn't do it all, and I'd be very interested in checking out at mahogany/mahogany strat as well. I sometimes miss the fat, woody midrangy classic humbucker rock'n'roll sound. But Guthrie always sounds very 'woody', regardless of gear it seems ...

Tak, how would you describe your mahogany suhr?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sumis wrote:
tak wrote:
I have a Basswood maple topped standard, maple neck, Brazilian board, SSH+ in the bridge. I don't find it bright at all, it's actually less bright than many of my other guitars. If anything, it's really smooth and balanced almost hi-fi like as it seems to cover all of the frequencies evenly. I wasn't sure what to make of it at first as it was very different than the Mahogany/Mahogany and alder Suhrs that I have, but it's quickly become a favorite.


Cool! I've become more and more geared to traditional strat styles w/ somewhat modern twists, and the suhr I got is pretty much perfect for my styles of playing. but one axe doesn't do it all, and I'd be very interested in checking out at mahogany/mahogany strat as well. I sometimes miss the fat, woody midrangy classic humbucker rock'n'roll sound. But Guthrie always sounds very 'woody', regardless of gear it seems ...

Tak, how would you describe your mahogany suhr?

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I really like the Mahogany/Mahogany/Brazillian too. I've been playing the Basswood guitar so much lately that I'm not sure which one I like better - I'm not sure one or the other is "better", they're just different. The Mahogany guitar is very "woody". At first, I thought it was dark sounding. It's very mid-heavy which lends to the dark perception, but I found that I just had to re-eq my amps from what I was accustomed to. That pretty much fixed any issues. It probably would be a bit muddy on the low strings with tons of gain, but I don't play with a really high gain / distorted sound. Mine has the DSH+ in the bridge, which I think is a somewhat mid focused pickup. It sounds really good, but I'm curious how an SSV (I think that's the more vintage PAF model) would sound.

I really want to try a Basswood and 1 pc maple neck Standard now. I've never been a huge fan of maple necks but I've got a feeling that this combinations of wood in a Suhr would sound fantastic. I love the way they look too.
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